Joes GTTT

[waztted]

anyone ever know what happened 2 Joe and his GT. .

the last imv video showed him after he got beaten by a turbo hyubusa..

anyone know??

[BlackCar]

It was actually a lightened, stretched, larger displacement Busa, not a Turbo...
Built motor 1397cc Suzuki Hayabusa vs Reds 1000 HP

Perhaps one day the story of what happened to the once unstoppable GTTTs will emerge.

[Xceler8]

I think the lesson that is to be learned from all this is..... Don't think that a shop (no matter how good they are) can beat the engineering put out by a multinational auto firm on that firms flagship engine.

Joe had what was probably THE best street package when it came to outright speed, and more importantly livability. He was beating purpose built race cars in a car that he could drive to work everyday so long as his MRI machines were selling (and since there is an ongoing war, i'm sure that they were), to pay for his insatiable need for C16. The car made over 1100 whp on mostly stock fuel delivery (correct me if I'm wrong) and completely stock longblock; oh yeah and it put down most of the power in second, and all of it in third... on the street, which can't be said for some 700whp supras, and most [fast] drag cars out there.

I know everyone has there own opinion of what is the ultimate street package, and the price tag on the base car is really steep; but for a car that you can buy for 130k today; add TT stage 6 kit tomorrow.... and by the end of the week have a car that will make 1000+whp reliably that you can drive everyday without having to worry about an impending explosion. But then that is just my take on it.

Well actually..... I guess you could buy something like this.....
Salvaged Ford GT $78k.... damage looks mild for a salvaged $160k car....

I doubt the above car would take more than 20k to fix.... and that's if a ford quality shop rewelds the front suspension mount....

[BlackCar]

A realistic estimate for most GTs on racefuel with all stock components (just the Stage 6 TT kit) would be right at 1000 whp. I think you could drive that INTMO style and it would hold up. A pair of KB BAPs would net you a bit more room. You could probably make 850 whp on 93 octane safely.

That chassis makes use 1000+ whp better than any other RWD car that I know of.

[Grant]

I think the lesson that is to be learned from all this is..... Don't think that a shop (no matter how good they are) can beat the engineering put out by a multinational auto firm on that firms flagship engine.

Meh, its just a motor. Plenty of shops (like these guys) can produce reliable packages, they just don't self-identify as "tuners". The Ricardo transaxle is really good though. Despite its weight and cost, some people use them in mid-engined kit and race cars because its one of the few out there that hold power well (though I think some more options are becoming available).

I'd really like to see what a GTTT runs on a PBox. Given the owners' general attitude and goals, I think applying Supra-style correction factors for converting "turbo tuner" horsepower into real horsepower apply. The cars would still be really fucking fast of course.

[BlackCar]

^^ yea, 1000 whp already accounts for that. Its very do-able.

[waztted]

amazing stuff. 1000hp on the street is insane. im sure we havent seen the last of joe yet

[Xceler8]

I think the lesson that is to be learned from all this is..... Don't think that a shop (no matter how good they are) can beat the engineering put out by a multinational auto firm on that firms flagship engine.

Meh, its just a motor. Plenty of shops (like these guys) can produce reliable packages, they just don't self-identify as "tuners". The Ricardo transaxle is really good though. Despite its weight and cost, some people use them in mid-engined kit and race cars because its one of the few out there that hold power well (though I think some more options are becoming available).

Yes I agree with that.... but see they develop motors, probably with all of the major components being their design and production. Stage6, although an amazing shop for what they pump out, will never be able to beat ford when it comes to race engine engineering. I think that was more of the point that I was trying to make. Any company that designs all of the parts that go into the motors, and then tests them in ALMS is going to have a reliable package

[BlackCar]

Everything Stage 6 did for the Ford GT was phenomenal. They had nothing to do with the motor issues.

http://www.boss330racing.com/main.html

[Cory]

I don't think you could ever compare a tuner shop and any major car company in terms of engineering... The equipment and funding alone cancels that argument out.

[Doward]

Sure you can. Ask anyone at Ford / GM / Toyota / etc - they will tell you that their greatest tool is the minds of their engineers.

A good engineer won't let pesky things like 'Tooling' or 'Budgets' stand in his way. And considering most Tuner Shops might not have unlimited funding, their engineering usually doesn't have to be approved by a beancounter

[Cory]

Sure you can. Ask anyone at Ford / GM / Toyota / etc - they will tell you that their greatest tool is the minds of their engineers.

A good engineer won't let pesky things like 'Tooling' or 'Budgets' stand in his way. And considering most Tuner Shops might not have unlimited funding, their engineering usually doesn't have to be approved by a beancounter

And Ford/GM/Toyota/etc have good engineers because they can afford good engineers, hence funding.

[Grant]

They also have engineers. How many "tuner" shops employ people with experience in automotive engineering? At best they're usually talented mechanics with good fabrication skills and racing experience. Large manufacturers have strong incentives to keep their shit from breaking, so they need to employ people to make it last as well as look pretty. Not so much with tuner shops.

I think if you're a talented enough engineer to design reliable aftermarket parts on the (comparatively) shoestring budget of most tuning shops, you're probably pretty good at what you do. If thats the case, you're talent is probably going to be bid away from the tuning business by OEMs or large race teams (and IMO this is a good thing).

[BlackSS]

Back to the topic at hand. I really hope I don't see Joe pop up online again. Personally, although it was fun to watch, I think it was a dumb idea to throw out on the internet what was done and what hp he was making. If he really wanted to throw down money on races, the only people he'll get to race are those that haven't seen it online (probably few) and those hustling him knowing what they have compared to him. Granted, the only thing really in his way are vehicles with two wheels. But if he indeed does have a bigger and better setup, he needs to lay low with online publicity.

[BlackCar]

Racing for money was, is and always will be the last thing on Joe's mind. It was all just for personal enjoyment and satisfaction. He wanted to:

- Make a huge amount of HP on a Dyno
- Roll race on the street and just try to have fun beating what ever vehicles he could
- Eventually have the car compete in the standing mile and other sanctioned races like drag racing and some road course duty

I think Joe has lost interest in the car though. Based on how things went with the overall GTTT "group project"... they hit the pinnacle in the "GTTT" video. Joe was all about making a video, believe me, especially after he got a taste of the original 625 whp Ford GT video.

[BlackSS]

Ok, well then good for him. Just by going off of the last scene after losing to the hyubusa, it seems he was disappointed in losing to the bike for money, and was wanting something bigger to offset that. It was my understanding by watching that vid, and others of the owner of the bike, that the race was for money. And because of that, it looked like his intention was to build it bigger, better so that he wouldn't lose races/money.

[BlackCar]

Ah...

Ok I see then. I guess I did kinda fail at presenting that accurately.

The story that Leo re-tells was filmed after the fact. Joe did his end-scene partially scripted, just to fill in the video void I was working with.

Leo was re-enacting commentary about a couple of black dudes that were side-betting on Joe's car vs bikes... not directly with Joe. Joe makes good money with his radiology business.

I try to keep the artificial "producer created reality" out of our Documentaries as much as possible. But working with the half-bred footage we usually are barely lucky enough to get sometimes mandates the use of random dialogue to move a story further.

[BlackSS]

Well now we got the story. In that case, maybe we'll see joe another day in some other vehicle if he's gotten bored with the GT.

[Scrappy Jack]

I believe SW may have picked up Ford GT and there may or may not be turbos in its future. That guy doesn't do anything half-assed when it comes to automobiles.

[Xceler8]

Joe just need to turn the car into a racecar and call it a day. I doubt there is toooo much stuff that you can pull out of the car to lighten it, but that I'm sure would help him on the street.... not to mention a healthy shot of the NO