IMV Films GYMKHANA PRACTICE

[Xceler8]

Yeah I just got the hit in for it in the Cardomain Blog.... goooood shit... and the Streetfire vid has over 124k hits

[Xceler8]

Yeah and just some crazy stats.... in the time between my posts.... it got 375 more hits on streetfire....

EDIT:
Just as a point of reference.... I obviously can't sleep........ So I timed how quick the video on streetfire was getting hits, and it took just under 9 minutes, mind you its 4am, to rack up another 100 hits..... thats almost 12 hits per minute.... in the middle of the fucking night.... insane.

Also looks like autoblog.com also posted up about the video and as of right now its the hottest link to streetfire with 2500 clicks.
Autoblog.com

[Justinians_2:40]

Wow... I knew this was going to be a good vid but I had no idea it would take off like this, congratulations on another epic video.

[The SSheriff]

Great job Sav!!! I loved it.

[SupraJeff]

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/ ... 130/page1/

I'm glad the old men keeping bumping the thread helping more people watch the video with gun threats and telling us how dangerous e-brake sliding is, I'd love to find their houses and perform AWD donuts around their homes. If this thread gets deleted I will continue to post new ones until I am banned. (on GSM)

[BlackCar]

Deleted again. Sweet!

What a bunch of oxygen thieves. Too bad that board is run under command of double-standardized, posers. There are alot of great people on that board that I know of. Unfortunately they make the common poster all too scared to go against their grain. Kudos to Wes for keepin' it real.

[SupraJeff]

No worries I posted it, and will continue to.

[BlackCar]

I found out who "dyintorace" is from the GRM board. He's a local 39 year-old named Tucker Ryals. I PM'd him, asking to meet up in person to discuss further... and he emailed us once, then never responded again. This was last week.

FROM TUCKER RYALS:
There are several folks from Gainesville who are regulars on the GRM forum.
I'd be happy to pass along a message to them. Or did you send them emails
through the forum as you did me?

What exactly is "this" that you want to discuss in person? Are you
interested in talking about IMV and/or INTMO and how my impression of one or
the other or both isn't accurate? Or are you suggesting we meet somewhere
secluded so you can threaten me in person?

If you want to get together to argue the points made in the thread on the
GRM forum, I would be interested in getting together, if I thought it would
be constructive conversation. Chicaneman made it clear that you guys are
talented drivers on the track so maybe the drivers I witnessed were not
officially part of your group. I'm more than happy to admit that. I've done
a number of track events over the years and realize that I'm not destined to
make a living as a race car driver.

But my position is that racing on the street is reprehensible in every way,
shape or form, regardless of the amount of planning or preparation that went
into the final cut. And also that averaging 90+ MPH while passing in the
emergency lane on public streets from Sebring to Gainesville is incredibly
dangerous and puts innocent folks at risk. Chicaneman said it himself, most
drivers are totally clueless. I don't trust them when I'm going 75 on I-75,
much less when someone is going 170 on I-75.

Let me know what your intentions are and perhaps we can continue the
dialogue.





MY RESPONSE:
> There are several folks from Gainesville who are regulars on the GRM
> forum. I'd be happy to pass along a message to them. Or did you send
> them emails through the forum as you did me?

My browsing came up with you and "OysterKraut" as 2 people with the usual
un-informed, stereotypical view of INTMO & IMV. The other guy doesn't
appear to live here anymore. I only contacted you since you posted
*intricate inside information* stemming from the Vice of Bad Folks video,
which I addressed in one of my posts. Additionally, you took my words out
of context from my rant against the slimy, hypocritical bastard known as
Robb Rill, whom I had the displeasure of being "Friends" with until I
became wiser. I only need to pass along a concept to local people that
feel it necessary to *actively post misinformation and rumor.* (IE: YOU)

> If you want to get together to argue the points made in the thread on the
> GRM forum, I would be interested in getting together, if I thought it
> would be constructive conversation.

You can show up at the Gainesville Road Race Club lapping event this
Saturday at the track. However, after reading this email I have SEVERE
doubts that it would be "constructive conversation". Despite its
near-sighted vision when it comes to management... the GIR test track is
still a good place (albeit tiny) to sharpen intermediate driving skills
that can save your ass and put you on higher ground when it comes to
coping with moderately intense street driving factors.

> Chicaneman made it clear that you guys are talented drivers on the
> track so maybe the drivers I witnessed were not
> officially part of your group. I'm more than happy to admit that.

Umm, yeah. Too bad you can't say that in front of your buddies on the GRM
forum.

> I've done a number of track events over the years and realize that I'm
> not destined to make a living as a race car driver.

I don't think you understand exactly how the world of racing works. A
ridiculously SMALL percentage of drivers actually "Make a Living" as a
race car driver. That is, enough prize money and sponsorship deals to pay
for the excessive costs of racing COMPETITIVELY and still having enough
left over to support a family, own a home and live a lifestyle. It takes
money to make money. If you have a strong source of disposable income,
you can all too easily BUY your way into professional racing as MANY
people do, such as Ken Block or Rob Rill. Clearly in most of these
cases... you don't have to be a fantastic driver at all.

> But my position is that racing on the street is reprehensible in every
> way, shape or form, regardless of the amount of planning or preparation
> that went into the final cut.

You're entitled to your own opinion, just like the millions of other
drones out there. Don't be a reprehensible hypocrite. May you be Baby
Jesus or the Holy Son of Allah if you have never, ever, ever violated a
single traffic law, or been in a crash / fender bender.

Good luck stopping your dreaded "Street Racing". People have been street
racing with incredibly high percentages of crash-free success since the
2nd car ever was built. I love street racing performed in a safe,
crash-free manner and think more people should appreciate it on a wider
scale; so back off on this topic.

> And also that averaging 90+ MPH while passing in the
> emergency lane on public streets from Sebring to Gainesville is
> incredibly dangerous and puts innocent folks at risk.

Sure it is. Screw Brock Yates, David Diem, Doug Turner and Alex Roy
right?? I'll go sit in the corner now. (HA!)

> Chicaneman said it himself, most drivers are totally clueless. I don't
> trust them when I'm going 75 on I-75, much less when someone is going
> 170 on I-75.

Mistake #1: Thinking trust has anything to do with other drivers on the
road. You ought to be prepared for anything... and I mean ANYTHING.
Crash avoidance is exactly the skill we learn through safe shenanigans,
AND TRACK TIME.

Mistake #2: Thinking Jimmy is merely "someone". The man is a machine
behind the wheel. He will make the impossible possible in a car. He's
one of the leading drivers in INTMO/IMV Films -for good reason-.

Interesting isn't it that most of Robb Rill's DarkCyd HARDWARE (read:
Vehicles, not Vehicle + Rob behind the wheel) are kept at Jimmy's shop?
Vehicle maintenance / preparation is performed there also for Robb. Jimmy
can, has and will always see the driving issue, deal with the driving
issue and get past the driving issue without harm or destruction. I've
ridden with him in situations that made *me* wonder whether I would
actually die (2 Gumball Rallies). He's even swerved in total 100% control
of ALL factors, including other vehicles, successfully... for a tiny
family of kittens crossing the road at night. And I hate cats; they
aren't high enough on my list to risk swerving into a crash for. NOBODY
in IMV / INTMO leaves the house in a car without thinking of keeping death
and injury at bay.

I can agree to disagree. I just can't let false information and hypocrisy
propagate.

[bradz]

Alright, I suppose I've sat on my hands long enough. Let me see if I can keep this short and sweet...

First of all, what's the point of singling out a local GRM board member and suggesting a face-to-face discussion? What's this supposed to solve and/or prove? Seems to me that the films have made your point about IMV (and INTMO's?) views on motorsports/racing/cops/etc. Now you've just turned yourselves into the equivalent of the obnoxious fanatical preacher on the street corner, clutching your DVDs and FTC shirts as if they were holy scriptures, trying to force-feed your views down others' throats. And much like the "swine" you cast your message before, don't be surprised when you get similar reactions. You know how many minds you'll change with this approach: NONE. Obviously you've got people who are just as passionate about the anti-street racing message, as you are about the harmlessness of it when conducted in an intelligent manner. This battle you're trying to fight is pointless and counterproductive.

Second, I've met Tucker. He bought some Miata parts from me while I was parting out my '99. Him and some other guys were putting together a couple of cars to run the 2008 GRM Challenge. Nice guy. Him and his crew busted their asses the night before to get a turbo Miata with MegaSquirt ready to run for the event. I don't remember the outcome, but it really doesn't matter. It really bothers me that "car enthusiasts" (I don't even like that term anymore) are essentially picking fights with other "car enthusiasts," just because they're not as hardcore, talented or have differing opinions about essentially justifiably breaking traffic laws. I'm no Team Taco, but I know better than to think I can allow myself to take the same risks that come with living an IMV-approved automotive lifestyle day-after-day. I think I've said it before, but sadly it's about the only IMV phrase I still feel like I fully identify with any more: Whatever happened to just HAVING FUN WITH MOTOR VEHICLES?

[midnight08]

I'm no Team Taco, but I know better than to think I can allow myself to take the same risks that come with living an IMV-approved automotive lifestyle day-after-day. I think I've said it before, but sadly it's about the only IMV phrase I still feel like I fully identify with any more: Whatever happened to just HAVING FUN WITH MOTOR VEHICLES?

While i do somewhat agree with this... I think you may be getting the signal crossed somewhere. I dont think the problem is between differing opinions and trying to force opinions on another car enthusiast. It's the fact that he purposefully slandered the name of every IMV/INTMO member (this includes you) even though he had never met a single one of us. it would be like me seeing a person that associated with you, but wasn't really your friend, and me saying that you were a dick. I don't actually know you and that person that I'm basing my opinion of you off of is not really a friend of yours. He made an assumption about all of us and posted it on a public forum just so that he would be accepted by his internet friends.

But I do agree that most people should understand that people have different views on what is important in the automotive world. It's like a questions and statements my fiance said to me the other day. she asked "Would you rather have a really ugly beat-up car that was extremely fast and handled extremely well? or a car that looked fast and cool but handled mediocre and was slow?" personally, I would rather have the beat-up ugly car that could outperform most. but there are plenty of people out there that would rather have the later of the two. I understand that and accept it as a part of the automotive enthusiast world. She also said "you know you don't have a REAL bike when you can put a route 44 from sonic in a cup holder mounted to the bars." while I agree, some people would rather have that bike with a cup holder, stereo, CB, luggage rack.

some people feel the need to impress the people that they associate with by slandering others that have different opinions on what matters in their automotive lifestyle (tucker). personally I'm man enough to not have to do this. It's like the definition of the "requirements" to be an INTMO member, If you have an interest in the automotive world have an interest in making your vehicle perform to the best of its abilities, and are a generally and genuinely cool person, then you are cool in my book.

[SupraJeff]

Alright, I suppose I've sat on my hands long enough. Let me see if I can keep this short and sweet...

First of all, what's the point of singling out a local GRM board member and suggesting a face-to-face discussion? What's this supposed to solve and/or prove? Seems to me that the films have made your point about IMV (and INTMO's?) views on motorsports/racing/cops/etc. Now you've just turned yourselves into the equivalent of the obnoxious fanatical preacher on the street corner, clutching your DVDs and FTC shirts as if they were holy scriptures, trying to force-feed your views down others' throats. And much like the "swine" you cast your message before, don't be surprised when you get similar reactions. You know how many minds you'll change with this approach: NONE. Obviously you've got people who are just as passionate about the anti-street racing message, as you are about the harmlessness of it when conducted in an intelligent manner. This battle you're trying to fight is pointless and counterproductive.

Second, I've met Tucker. He bought some Miata parts from me while I was parting out my '99. Him and some other guys were putting together a couple of cars to run the 2008 GRM Challenge. Nice guy. Him and his crew busted their asses the night before to get a turbo Miata with MegaSquirt ready to run for the event. I don't remember the outcome, but it really doesn't matter. It really bothers me that "car enthusiasts" (I don't even like that term anymore) are essentially picking fights with other "car enthusiasts," just because they're not as hardcore, talented or have differing opinions about essentially justifiably breaking traffic laws. I'm no Team Taco, but I know better than to think I can allow myself to take the same risks that come with living an IMV-approved automotive lifestyle day-after-day. I think I've said it before, but sadly it's about the only IMV phrase I still feel like I fully identify with any more: Whatever happened to just HAVING FUN WITH MOTOR VEHICLES?

I'm gonna have to disagree on the face-to-face approach, I think that says a lot if your willing to meet up to discuss different opinions. Obviously this guy has never made it out to the meets or been to intmo.com. I don't think INTMO wants/needs to be bashed as a car club because the most automotive activity in Gainesville (legal and illegal) is run/participated by INTMO members. Their opinions are fine, but getting blamed for Team Taco, lack of places to race, misrepresentation of a car club, and INTMO being a bunch of shitty drivers is wrong and won't be brushed off. And if these things get brushed around to new car enthusiasts in Gainesville such as students, the meets won't be as fun.

Btw good luck with the stranger...

[bradz]

It's the fact that he purposefully slandered the name of every IMV/INTMO member (this includes you) even though he had never met a single one of us. it would be like me seeing a person that associated with you, but wasn't really your friend, and me saying that you were a dick. I don't actually know you and that person that I'm basing my opinion of you off of is not really a friend of yours. He made an assumption about all of us and posted it on a public forum just so that he would be accepted by his internet friends.

Honestly, I don't care or have anything to prove to anyone on GRM or even here. Tucker knows me as "Brad, the guy with Miata parts" - not "Brad, the hardcore IMV/INTMO street racer" (because I'm not). Besides, it's not like I'm that involved in Thursday night activities much these days. Last Thursday was the first time I'd eaten with the group in a LONG time. Unfortunately, that was mainly to unload some T-shirts. I say unfortunately, because I do miss the late-night mischief. However, I just can't afford to tangle with the cops. It isn't worth getting arrested to me. Others, it is. And that's fine.

some people feel the need to impress the people that they associate with by slandering others that have different opinions on what matters in their automotive lifestyle (tucker). personally I'm man enough to not have to do this. It's like the definition of the "requirements" to be an INTMO member, If you have an interest in the automotive world have an interest in making your vehicle perform to the best of its abilities, and are a generally and genuinely cool person, then you are cool in my book.

Assumptions were made on both sides, from what I could tell. I only read round 1 of that forum invasion of a thread, but it's not like those representing IMV/INTMO weren't making assumptions about the GRM folks too. I didn't read all that was said, and I really don't need to. Those who felt the need to invade their forum are the ones who unnecessarily stirred up a hornets nest, with ZERO benefit in doing so. You're going to get some opposition to the content of your films, obviously. Does that mean you have to jump into every automotive forum and start a pissing contest with other "automotive enthusiasts," just because they express their opinions (on their own forum) and won't jump on the IMV bandwagon of street racing in the gumball lane while wearing an FTC shirt?

Yep, I'd rather have the ugly "sleeper" car too.

[Christa]

Those who felt the need to invade their forum are the ones who unnecessarily stirred up a hornets nest, with ZERO benefit in doing so. You're going to get some opposition to the content of your films, obviously. Does that mean you have to jump into every automotive forum and start a pissing contest with other "automotive enthusiasts," just because they express their opinions (on their own forum) and won't jump on the IMV bandwagon of street racing in the gumball lane while wearing an FTC shirt?

i agree on the fact that "stirring up a hornet's nest" is never a good idea. But you also have to look at the other side of the story. Filming took so long to take place and I know A LOT of hard work was put into the making of this film (and many of others).And when so many people did help, when someone else (like GRM members for example) post negative comments, it's bound to stir something up, especially when they not only badmouth the video, but INTMO and IMV members as well.

[BlackCar]

Dude, what the fuck?

I thought we banned Vikram Saini from this board. Stop transcribing his drivel on here. You're smarter than that, Brad.

[5-0]

The progression of automobiles and the street is unfortunate. I find myself reflecting on things more these days, and I have come to a couple of realizations that I will now share. People often say that racing was born on the street and also that it should remain on the street in some fashion. However, I see it dying every day. There was a time when racing on the street was very low in consequences. Law enforcement did not seem to care as much, and the legal penalties were far less severe when someone was "caught." If you raced on the street, crashed, and injured and/or killed someone, there were still more severe consequences. But street racing that ended with only law enforcement intervention led to some fines and minimal hassle within "the system." Everything has changed...

With more fast cars, more available disposable income, greater technology, and more media coverage, there is a greater public knowledge of racing and a completely different attitude towards it. "Street racing" is now a 1st degree misdemeanor; it is worse than a DUI. I will never understand this because someone who is impaired and driving recklessly while obliterating the speed limit will be charged with a lesser crime (2nd degree misdemeanor) than someone racing without impairment. I think a couple of things have happened as a result of this increased media coverage and resulting public outcry...

I think people that once street raced have changed their minds because of the somewhat new and overly harsh consequences of street racing. As I know, there is a lot to be lost by street racing. Sometimes you can even lose without actually street racing; being associated with or displaying the logo of known street racers is enough to experience the same consequences. I think this change in the minds and attitudes of many once-upon-a-time street racers has led them to jump the on the bandwagon of calling it dangerous, reckless, and even murderous. It seems that people have to rationalize their choice not to participate in such activities by saying that they are, and have always been, uncontrollable and insanely dangerous. This is simply not the case. I wish people would start being honest with themselves instead of internally rationalizing their choice not to face the new and harsh consequences of street racing. I understand the choice not to participate, but I don't understand the new rationalizations. I guess people want to rationalize their choice in order to be at peace with themselves. Maybe they are jealous of those who continue to break the rules and do what they, and we, have always known to be not quite so dangerous. People want to believe that they live in a free country where they are FREE to make their own choices and where the law make sense. If one is a street racer, speeder, etc., I suppose the only thing that makes sense under today's possible consequences is a shift in one's attitude that, yes, street racing is that dangerous. I will not argue that street racing and speeding is not more dangerous than strictly following the traffic laws, but I will argue that the punishments no longer fit the crime.

Last, I watched the "Love the Beast" documentary last night, and Eric Bana said something interesting. He and his buddies spent their entire youth working on their cars in his garage because it was a place for them to stay out of trouble. Cars were a way for them to STAY OUT of trouble. I am sure that they street raced; not many people only take their very mildly modded cars to the track, at least not in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. It's not like this any more; working and having fun with motor vehicles does not help you stay out of trouble. I would argue that the consequences are worse than drinking or doing most drugs. That is really quite sad.

[BlackCar]

Finally solved, accomplished and done... all in an amicable manner despite "Face to face" being > "Internet chat."
Call me George Fucking Bush, "Mission Accomplished!"

All GRM forum evidence was deleted and few even cared to use SAT-level reading comprehension while it was up; bitching ensued about global issues unrelated to what 2 INTMO/IMV members intended on solving.

FROM HIM:
I read your reply and, after reading it, we definitely sit on different sides of the
fence. While I appreciate your thoughts, I don’t think it’s okay to drive to the
extreme while on the street, whether it’s racing or otherwise. As I mentioned in my
previous note, I don’t trust anyone on the street other than myself and I am
prepared for any scenario. And while you may think you are prepared for anything,
you simply cannot account for every conceivable scenario. And if you are doing 70
mph on a highway, there is more reaction time than if you are doing 170 mph.

A few years ago I even participated in a cross country rally. It was supposedly the
American version of the Cannonball Run but was called the Great American Run. It
sucked and the “organizers” were a joke. A friend entered and asked me to navigate
for him. Afterward, I wished I hadn’t agreed and formed a dim view of cross country
rallying for the exact reason I stated above. Even though drivers were cautioned
against breaking the law, it was tacitly stated that they should go balls out. One
guy was even filmed by a traffic helicopter doing over 180 (alleged) in a Lambo.
That is simply not safe, as the Gumball deaths have shown.

As for not admitting that I may have been wrong about your driving prowess, I did
post a follow up that stated I may have been incorrect in my generalization
regarding IMV/INTMO drivers and their abilities. I apologize for the comment.
Unfortunately the thread has been deleted, or I would direct you to my post.

I would love to go up against you guys in a lapping day. While you would most likely
lap me, at least we’d all be out on a closed course doing it as opposed to the
street.

I forgot to mention that I'm in the process of building a track car. I hope to have
it done within the next 3-4 months and will actually have something to compete in
then. Up til now, I've always done driving events in street cars, which isn't my
preference.

Once it's done, I will try my luck against you guys, either at GIRR or some other
track.


FROM ME:
Agreed.

Perhaps in the future, INTMO / IMV drivers will meet you on the racetrack;
a place that we enjoy equally, and sometimes more than the street itself.
Good luck with the track car build. We all tend to race our street cars
as well, for better or worse. As our club mantra, it's "Practice on the
street, then take it to the track. Race it on the track, then bring it on
the street." We do value legal track time for the inherent benefits (so
long as it's properly and safely managed).

I just hope you have a slightly more 'understanding' view of the 2
original issues I had with the GRM thread:

The public comments about the 'attorney' (An outside issue to our videos
that I hold very personally because my close friends were royally screwed
over due to backstabbing and multiple cases of law enforcement + state
perjury).

The track performance data, which I feel we have both addressed
adequately, for better.

I have no problem with people criticizing our videos directly; even
borderline slander of IMV's name. I understand it comes with the
territory. We can't please everyone who browses the internet looking for
entertainment. We just aim to please the majority. The Gymkhana video's
ratio floats somewhere around 80% love it, 20% loathe it. Perhaps I
should've avoided posting after Chicaneman, just to try and inform people
about what safety devices we had in place. Obviously it didn't make
anyone feel any safer. But that is water under the bridge at this point.

My Regards-


HIS RESPONSE:
I agree as well. I hope to have my car done within the next few months and will
begin actively tracking it as much as possible. That will certainly include time at
GIRR if possible. I also hope to do the annual Audi club event at Daytona in
December.

I have no idea what happened with the attorney situation nor did I comment on it in
either GRM thread, so no clarification needed there. << (Except he *introduced* it, within his opened can of worms)

And on the track data side, yes, it seems like you guys certainly know what you're
doing.

If you have the ability to do so, please extend my thoughts to the other IMV/INTMO
members regarding the latter point above. I did not intend to discredit anyone's
track driving capability and misspoke in doing so. My intent was to counter the
argument that being a great track driver gives one the right to do excessively
illegal things on the street. I do agree that having any track experience, much less
a lot, does give a driver an advantage on the street, no doubt though.

Hopefully we can meet at GIRR one day soon and go head to head in a friendly match up.

Cheers,



In the end, realize the current quantum shift towards demonizing all the shit we've been doing for years.

I wonder how many vehicular rednecks in 1982 Jerkwater, USA tried crashing through a legitimately occupied mobile home... MUCH LESS one in 2009 that was staged and set for removal. The same goes for street racing. Erwin George Baker rolls over in his grave every time someone jumps on the bandwagon of equating street racing to baby killing.

[midnight08]

well handled in my mind.

[J_Kizzy]

...I am prepared for any scenario. And while you may think you are prepared for anything,
you simply cannot account for every conceivable scenario.

[rally_wrx]

Statiscally speaking, all of us should have crashed multiple times into traffic by now... I guess we've all just been 'lucky' so far

I guess some just simply don't get it. Predicting scenarios on the street is possible. With a basic understanding of vehicle dynamics and human psychology, it is possible to avoid a lot of incidents. I myself have saved other people's mistakes countless times. I guess I should've kept a logbook of that. On the other end of the spectrum are those drivers that have no trouble driving through an intersection while a driver on a cross street is threshold braking to the intersection... I know I always cringe at that and get ready to threshold brake myself or at least swerve out of the way if necessary. Many just keep on trucking because they know they have the 'right of way' or some other bullshit.

At the very least, this GRM dude understands we are not Team Taco. Maybe that message will spread to other members of their group. What I can't put my finger on is, how is there such a high concentration of skilled drivers that at one point or another lived in Gainesville? Maybe it's the water. Or maybe it's the fact that there were less inhibitions to practicing on the street. INTMO should try and get accredited as a racing school.... half kidding!

[BlackCar]

What I can't put my finger on is, how is there such a high concentration of skilled drivers that at one point or another lived in Gainesville? Maybe it's the water.

I've been adding this to the city's water supply: